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Did you get a "Placebo Solution" that doesn't solve anything

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After studying the aftermath of various scams and alleged scams, it is very often they seem to follow the same script.

As customer complaints start to pile up, they announce some sort of customer support revamp.

After a few months it's server outage.

After a few months it's "we got hacked"

After a few months it's "we got defrauded by international credit card scam that slammed us with hundreds of fake numbers"

The order may vary a bit, but the truth is the *same issues* seem to pop up at all these schemes and suspect schemes.

One wonders if they are offering "placebo solutions" just to keep the sheeple from complaining too much?


What's a placebo solution? It's easier to explain with an anecdote.

Houston, TX International Airport got a ton of complaints about the baggage carousels being slow. So they went out a hired more baggage handlers, improved the equipment, and so on. The average wait is down to eight minutes, average in the industry. The complaints kept coming, albeit only decreased slightly.

The airport commission was puzzled. Why don't other airports get the same number of complaints when their wait is as bad as ours? So they hired some interns and followed some flights around. Turns out. Houston is a small airport. The passengers can walk to the carousel in about a minute, maybe two. If the baggage doesn't arrive until 8 minutes later, that means 6-7 minutes standing around doing nothing.

So the airport did the unthinkable: it relocated the deplaning terminals to the furthest out from the baggage carousels, and even made the baggage carousels as far away as possible. Basically, instead of getting from the plane to carousel in one minute, it now takes six minutes (or longer). The baggage still gets there in about 8 minutes.

The complaints stopped coming. Why? Passengers now feel the baggage arrive in 2 minutes, instead of 7 minutes. Even though they had to walk a lot further to get them.

Suspect schemes seem to work in similar ways: they redefine the parameters to make their victims feel better, without actually offering them any real relief. It's all about the "perception" of doing something.

Next time you're being offering a solution or an excuse, consider it carefully... It is a real solution, or is it a mere placebo solution to make you FEEL they're solving the problem, but in reality, it isn't? 

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BREAKING NEWS: Old Chinese News From 2007 Revealed Ming Xu had been defrauding Americans back in 2007!

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Following is my PARTIAL translation of the article at 
The article is about fraud involving Olympics in China, and "Ming Xu" is a part of it! I'll just translate the section that had to do with this, but you're welcome to read either. 

就在北京全民迎奥运活动组委会的书法征集活动在秦皇岛受阻、灰溜溜地撤出北戴河后不久,闹剧却仍在继续——这一次,该组委会的名字又悄然出现在了美国。
After “Beijing All people welcome Olympic Activity Organization” illegal fundraiser was stopped in ChingHuanDao, and quietly left the BeiDaiHo region, hilarity continued, as this group managed to reappear in the US.
  据中国日报(Chinese Daily)发自洛杉矶的报道,5月17日,北京全民迎奥运组委会美国分会暨百万华侨迎奥运筹委会的发言人徐明表示,将开展公益活动支持北京奥运。
According to Chinese Daily out of Los Angeles, US, May 17th (2007?) Bejing All People Welcome Olympic Committee US branch and Million Overseas Chinese Committee spokesman Ming Xu said he will start fundraising activity to support Beijing Olympics.
  该报道称,徐明发起的中国奥运基金会中,已经接收到了最少数十万美元的捐款,其中包括一家叫康瑞的企业提供的50万美元现金或等值商品,以及一家叫国际爱福仁信用卡公司年利润的1%。
According to report, Ming Xu started this Chinese Olympic Fundraising Committee had raised at least several hundred thousand USD donations, including one KangRei 康瑞 (NOTE: Careux.com, no longer active)  provided 500000 cash or equivalent merchandise, and 1% annual profit pledge from International AiFuRen 国际爱福仁 (Affluen.com)  Credit Card company 
  据记者调查,徐明是注册在美国加州的美国万通投资银行的董事长。于是,记者来到该公司中国代表处,见到了万通网站上所说的中国区首席代表赵昂,不过赵昂表示:“名为首代、实则朋友关系,我们不是靠他们供养。只是徐明多次向我提出要求,我才把他的公司牌子挂了出来。”赵自己是银信中联(北京)投资顾问有限公司的总经理。
According to reporter’s investigation, Ming Xu is CEO of “US WangTong Investment Bank” (worldcapitalmarket.com) registered in California. Reporter came to the office in China, and found WangTong Website’s “top representative in China” Ang Zhao. Zhao however, replied “Top rep? Just a friend. I’m not employed by him. He asked me and asked me, and I acquiesced, and put his company name out.” Zhao is a manager at China Galaxy Investments.
  赵最初说,北京全民迎奥运活动组委会美国分会是美国华人自发的活动,是在美国独立的活动,与北京的组织没有任何合作。
Zhao said, US branch of that org was started by Chinese Americans. It had nothing to do with the organization in Beijing.
  后来,赵昂又改口称,春天时徐明收到了全民迎奥运活动组委会的聘书后,在美国发起了这个活动,并且有意发展到中国,“当时我很郑重地告诉他,在中国落地必须要经过奥组委的同意。之后他的活动也就停止了。”
However, later Zhao changed his story. Apparently in spring Ming Xu got some sort of a delegation letter from Beijing authorizing him to start US Branch, so it can spread back to China later. Zhao said, “At the time, I told him if he wish to land in China, he really need to get permission from the Beijing Olympic Committee. Later he stopped his activities.”
  然而,杨光明告诉记者,对这个美国分会他一无所知。杨声称,那是在他本人毫不知情的情况下,美籍华人徐明在美国冒充了全民迎奥运活动组委会的名称,“在海外进行圈钱活动”。
However, MingGuang Yang (of Beijing committee) told reporter, that he knew NOTHING about this US branch. Yang said this American Chinese Ming Xu is an imposter using the Beijing All People Welcome Olympic organization name "to steal funds overseas".

  关于徐明手中的聘书——徐曾向赵昂展示过“北京全民迎奥运组委会”给他的一份聘书,杨的解释是,是由“一起干事,自封为全民迎奥运组委会主席的王宏明(音)发给徐明的,我也是看到他们的网站才知道的,根本就没有我的授权,也没有征得我的同意。”
As for what is that authorization letter in the hand of Ming Xu, Yang’s explanation was that the letter was "issued by self-titled 'chairman' of the Committee HongMing Wong. I only know of it when I saw their website. It was not authorized by me in any way.'
  记者试图联系这位王宏明,不过杨表示,他也联系不到此人了,“溜了,打电话他也不接”。
Reporter attempted to contact this Wong. However, Yang said he can’t find Wong either. “Ran off. Won’t answer his phone.”
  接着,记者通过种种渠道找到了捐款企业之一美国康瑞集团的总裁刘帜在中国的手机号码。
Later, reporter, through his channels, was able to find one of the donator, KangRei Group’s (Careux) manager Qi Liu’s mobile phone number in China.
  “是不是问奥运的事情?”记者尚未发问,接电话人反问记者。但他声称自己并非刘帜本人。
“Are you going to ask about the Olympics?” Even before the reporter asked a question, the answerer asked back. However, he claim he was NOT Mr. Liu.
  接电话者表示,50万美元的实物都捐给了中国奥运基金会,跟“北京全民迎奥运组委会美国分会”没有任何关系。
The answerer claimed that $500000 USD donation went to China Olympic Fund, had nothing to do with Beijing All People Welcome Olympic Committee US Branch”.
  然而,在康瑞美国网站的一条新闻中,却明明白白地写着:“北京全民迎奥运”活动组委会、“百万华侨迎奥运”活动筹委会、中国奥运基金会于5月17日举办新闻发布会,刘帜先生在会上宣布,康瑞企业将赞助“全民迎奥运”活动50万美元或等值商品。
However, this was directly contradicted by KanRei US (Careux) website, where it clearly stated that he was a part of Beijing All People Welcome Olympic Committee Activities Group, and so on, and KangRei (Careux) will donate 500000 dollars of equivalent merchandise.
  更蹊跷的是,记者翻看捐赠企业和万通投资银行的公司简介的时候,发现二者的业务存在着很多的重叠;而国际爱福仁信用卡公司在一则招聘广告上留下的Email地址为ian@worldcapitalmarkets.com——world capital markets就是万通投资银行的英文。
What’s even more interesting is the reporter check the list of donors, he found a lot of overlap with WangTong Investment Bank. Furthermore, 国际爱福仁信用卡公司 International AiFuRen (Affluen.com) Credit card company left a contact address for hiring… address of ian@WorldCapitalMarket.com… or WangTong Investment Bank.
(EDITOR NOTE: By this time, it should be clear that 国际爱福仁信用卡公司 is Affluen.com, created by Ming Xu, and it morphed into Kingdom Card LLC, another Ming Xu creation headed by a figurehead. )
  万通中国首席代表赵昂证实,徐明在美国的活动搞起来后并没有筹到资金,目前所谓的捐款“应该都是内部的操作”。
WangTong China top rep Zhao confirmed that Ming Xu’s activities in the US have raised no funds. All such funds raise are “should all be internal operations.”
  据上述接电话者称,中国奥运基金会是在美国加州当地注册的,是通过中国大使馆资质认证的合法机构。而杨光明的说法是,该基金会是徐明通过伪造证件,骗取大使馆的批准成立的。
According to the phone answerer (not Liu), Chinese Olympic Fund Committee is registered in California, with Chinese Embassy’s approval, vetting, and endorsement. Yang however, stated that this Olympic fund committee was a fraud perpetrated by Ming Xu, with fake documents to trick the Chinese Embassy into approval.
  记者随后联系了中国驻美大使馆,新闻参赞王保东明确表示,所谓“海外百万侨胞迎奥运筹委会”曾与中国驻美使馆联系并得到允许的说法纯属捏造,中国驻美国五个总领馆也不会与上述筹委会有任何联系
Reporter then contacted Chinese Embassy, and press secretary BaoDong Wang clearly stated that “Million Overseas Chinese Olympic Fund Committee” such had NOT gained any sort of approval or endorsement from the Chinese embassy, and any such news are lies. None of the any other Chinese embassies would endorse such committees either.
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The author had been able to verify some of this information. ToPacific, a Ming Xu company, indeed was involved in this US Branch Olympic Committee, and contact address is that of worldCapitalmarket. Also, it confirmed the involvement of Careux and Affluen
careux.com no longer exists, but Affluen.com is indeed still registered to Ming Xu
Domain Name: AFFLUEN.COM
Registrar URL: http://www.godaddy.com
Updated Date: 2012-11-09 00:09:04
Creation Date: 2007-04-23 16:40:19
Registrar Expiration Date: 2016-04-23 16:40:19
Registrar: GoDaddy.com, LLC
Domain Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Domain Status: clientRenewProhibited
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Domain Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Registrant Name: ming xu
Registrant Organization: 
Registrant Street: 9595 Wilshire Blvd.
Registrant Street: World Capital Market
Registrant City: Beverly Hills CA
Registrant State/Province: California
Registrant Postal Code: 90212
Registrant Country: United States

Checking WhitePages shows that Careux Inc did exist in El Monte, California (which is near Pasadena) But it had apparently died in 2007 or 2008 and its trademark had since been abandoned. 
However, checking the documents proved to be interesting. The applicant for Careux trademark is one Ian Zhang, who used ian@careux.com

Remember earlier, we had ian@worldcapitalmarket.com?

Probably the same guy. 

Does any one still trust Ming Xu after seeing this? 
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BREAKING NEWS: WCM777 CEO Zhi Liu Linked to Vantone Stock Scam in China

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Sharp-eyed fellow Internet scambusters pointed me to clues that I discovered this article dated July 2012. That Ming Xu, and his buddy Liu Zhi was a part of the Vantone fraud in China. First, some background. 

Who is Tiger Zhi Liu? He said he's head of WCM777 


He's also US head of Vantone, according to his Linkedin Profile.



What you don't know is Vantone was a huge stock fraud out of China in 2012...

To give you a short summary... Vantone, or "万通" (pronounced WangTong) was a company in Shenyang China. Locally it enticed people to buy products at vastly inflated prices by giving away alleged "virgin stock" of the company, promising people who got these "virgin stock" that they will receive HUGE profits (fifty to one hundred times what they paid for) if they keep buying up more products... if the company is successful going public in the US of A. Company was later busted as a scam, selling a water purifier for 10 times the cost, making fraudulent promises, illegally offering stocks for sale, and more. 

And Zhi Liu is the head of Vantone USA, as shown above. 


Following is a line by line translation of 

http://www.legaldaily.com.cn/index_article/content/2012-07/25/content_3728452.htm?node=5955


沈阳警方侦破非法经营股票案 7省市3200余人受骗

ShenYang Police Solved the case of Illegal Stock Investment
7 provinces affected, 3200+ people cheated

2012-07-25 11:09:32


  法制网记者 周斌
Reported by LegalDaily China reporter Bin Zhao
  时至今日,犯罪嫌疑人都已经被批捕了,辽宁沈阳人王静仍不愿完全相信,自己被骗了。"如果公安晚一点动手,或许万通公司已经在境外上市了,我买的那些原始股就赚大钱了。"她这样对《法制日报》记者说。
Even today, all of the suspects had probably been arrested, resident of Liaoning Shenyang Jing Wong still can't quite believe that she had been scammed. "If Public Security only have waited... Maybe Vantone would have issued their stock, and my 'virgin stock' would have made me lots of money." She told the Legal Daily reporter. 
  在之前9年时间里,下岗工人王静累计投入十五六万元购买沈阳万通国际集团公司的股票和产品。而在辽宁、北京、天津、黑龙江等7个省、市,和王静一样投资万通公司原始股的受骗者多达3200余名,涉案金额近2亿元。
In the past nine years, retired worker Jing Wong had invested about 150 thousand to 160 thousand Yuan (RMB) into buy ShenYang Vantone International Holdings stock and products. Furthermore, at LiaoNing, Beijing, TianJing, HeiLongJiang and 7 other provinces and cities, there are over 3200 victims like Jing Wang who was fooled by a chance to invest in "virgin stock" of Vantone. Losses could total 200 million yuan (RMB).  
  在今年全国公安机关开展的严厉打击经济犯罪"破案会战"中,在公安部统一指挥下,5月4日,辽宁等7省、市公安机关同时发起集群战役,一举将万通公司非法经营股票犯罪的网络彻底摧毁,该集团老总及7名高管和数十名代理商悉数落网。
At this year National Public Security campaign to smash economic crimes, as commanded by Public Security, operated commended on May 4th (2012) where Public Security of 7 jurisdictions raided and completely dismantled this Vantone illegal stock crime network. The head, 7 officers, and dozens of sellers were all arrested. 


原始股的诱惑
Temptation of Virgin Stock
  去年11月初,沈阳市公安局经侦支队民警接到群众举报,一家名为万通公司的企业销售产品并赠送股票。按照我国法律规定,擅自发行股票属违法行为,民警对此进行了调查。
Last November (2011) ShenYang Public Security received a tip from neighborhood militia that a company called "Vantone" (WangTong) is selling objects and giving away stocks. According to Chinese law, it is not legal to sell stocks without registration. Thus, police started investigation. 
  "经深入调查发现,该公司在全国多个省份雇佣代理商、店长,以配送'万通原始股'为诱饵,向群众高价销售保健品、净水机等产品。"沈阳市公安局经侦支队曲警官说,万通公司还对外宣称,上市后原始股回报率可翻数十倍乃至上百倍。
Office Chu of ShenYang Public Security explained, "After detailed investigation, this company had hired many representatives in multiple provinces. They are selling nutraceuticals and water purifiers, with additional bait of 'giving away virgin stock'. Vantone claimed that if the IPO was successful the profit will be tens of times, perhaps hundred times profit. 
  70岁的朱成品对《法制日报》记者坦言,自己就是被"翻百倍"所诱惑,成了万通公司的"股民",这些年先后投入5万余元。
Chenping Zhu, 70 yrs old, told the LegalDaily reporter, that he was tempted by this "100 times profit" and became investor of Vantone, and put in at least 50000 Yuan (RMB). 
  朱成品说,2003年,一位熟人向她推荐了万通原始股,说将来上市股价能翻很多倍。但获得原始股的前提是购买该公司的保健产品,购买3单至13单(每单558元),可以1元/股购买1万股原始股;购买15单至21单,买1万股赠1万股;每月购买21单前一百名,赠送5000股。
Zhu said, in 2003, a friend recommended her to buy virgin stock of Vantone, told her that if the stock is listed she'll make a lot of money back. However, to get the virgin stock, you have to buy the company products. If you buy 3 units to 13 units (at $558 Yuan RMB per unit) you can purchase virgin stock for $1 per share. If you buy 15 units to 21 units, they'll double your stock... Buy 10000, get 10000 free. The first 100 people every month to order 21 units or more gets 5000 extra shares. 
  "保健品价格不菲,一盒口服液588元。但想到产品对身体有益,关键是还能得原始股,何乐而不为呢?"朱成品说,于是她花1.2万元买了21单,获赠5000股。
"The nutraceuticals are expensive. One box of supplement is $588, but I thought it'd be good for my body, and the key is the virgin stock. Why not?" Zhu said. So she spent 12000 Yuan (RMB) and bought 21 units, and got extra 5000 shares. 
  此后,万通公司的代理商时常找到朱成品,或组织"股民"开会,一会说万通就要上市了,鼓励大家多买股票;一会说必须拉业绩上市股票才能高涨,要求大家买产品;甚至说谁不拉业绩手中的股票就不能上市。想到将来上市后原始股暴涨,朱成品又买了1万余元股票和3万多元保健产品。
After that, Vantone's reps keep coming back to Zhu, or organized "investor groups" from purchases. Sometimes they sayd Vantone is about to get listed, please buy more stock. Another time it's they need to show good sales to get the stock prices high, so buy more. They even said that if you don't buy the stock can't go public. With vast pressure and thought of profit Zhu bought another $10000 RMB of stock and 30000+ of various products. 
  朱成品买的保健产品包括竹纤维床单、硒宝片、蔬菜消毒机、生态养生锅、净水机等。其中,一台净水器的价格高达8000余元。
Zhu's purchases includes some special bed sheets, selenium tablets (supplements), vegetable sterilizer, special natural cooling pots, water purifier, etc. That water purifier costs 8000 Yuan. 
  要让群众购买如此高价的产品,万通代理商得怎样巧舌如簧?已被取保候审的代理商赵影勤如此答复记者:"贵也罢便宜也好,是净水器还是化妆品都无所谓,大家都不在乎,只期盼把业绩拉上去公司早点上市。"
What sort of verbal sorcery did Vantone reps use to convince the public to pay these vastly inflated prices? One of the reps, YingChin Zhao, explained to the reporter. It doesn't matter what they buy, at whatever price, be it water purifier or cosmetics. They just want to make sure the stock offering goes through through sales. 
  在警方扣押的物品中,记者找到了那种净水机,外观与普通饮水机没太大差别,只是下端内部安装了很多管道。万通公司曾这样宣传:把墨汁、农药倒进去过滤后能直接饮用。
In the merchandise held by police as evidence, reporter found the water purifier. Looks just like a normal purifier  but there are a lot of piping at the bottom. Vantone claimed that this purifier can purify even ink and insecticide into drinkable water. 
  "不用研究了,普通净水机而已,万通公司从南方企业买来贴标后卖,购入价只有几百元。"民警对附身下去观察的记者说。
Police explained to the reporter looking the purifier over, "There's nothing special. It's just a regular water purfiier. Vantone bought these from the South (of China) and put on their own label. Only cost them a few hundred yuan (RMB)". 
骗局步步为营
Many Layers of the Scam
  7月3日下午,记者跟随民警来到位于沈阳繁华地段的中山路195号阳光财险大厦,万通公司就在大厦第18层。
In afternoon of July 3rd (2012), reporter followed police to YuSheng district, 195 ChungSang Road Sunshine Office Building, where Vantone is located on the 18th floor. 
  整个18层都为万通公司所有,粗略估计有大几百平米。走进已被查封的万通公司,宽敞的前台两侧墙上,一幅幅该公司董事长于洪刚与中外名人的合影照片仍挂在上面。
The entire 18th floor is Vantone. That's several hundred square meters. We walked into the closed company. We can still see the various pictures of CEO Gang Hong posing with various dignitaries foreign and domestic on the walls near the front.  
  曾经,王静以及很多受害群众多次来到这个地方,留下的良好印象坚定了他们对万通公司上市的信心。
In the past, Jing Wong and other victims had came here many times, and it was this impression that made them certain that Vantone will get listed. 
  散落在桌子上的一些精美宣传册称:万通公司在境外注册,在中国设有万通源商贸有限公司、万通健康用品制造有限公司、万通小额贷款有限公司等五家公司。
Some of the brochures left scattered on a desk explaiend that Vantone will register outside of China. In China there will be five different Vantone companies, including Vantone Health products, Vantone Microloans, and so on. 
  "注册这么多公司,就是为了营造集团化、大型企业的假象,实际上,万通出售的所有产品都是从其他公司买来的。"沈阳和平公安分局经侦大队曹警官介绍说,万通公司还多次召开股东大会,请所谓国外专家讲授公司前景,场面宏大,很多受害群众深受感染。
Officer Chao of ShenYang Police explained, "Registering multiple companies is simply to look big. Vantone does not manufacture anything. All of their products are made by someone else. However, they have organized several board meetings, and invited a lot of foreign specialists to talk about the future of the company. It was really impressive, and really convinced a lot of victims. "

  在万通公司市场拓展中心,放着一摞摞合同。据了解,万通公司与很多受害群众都签订了劳务合同,并称其为公司业务员。"万通公司的原始股,都是无偿出让给自己员工和业务员的。"身在看守所的于洪刚说。
In the Vanton's marketing room, there are stacks of contracts. Apparently, Vantone made a lot of victims sign these labor contracts, so they can say they are "employed" by Vantone. "Vantone's virgin stock are given out to the employees and contractors", Gang Hong Yu said while behind bars. 
  "他这么做是想规避法律责任,合同都是在群众购买产品或原始股后签订的。"曹警官解释说,财经专业毕业的于洪刚设计的骗局非常巧妙,可谓步步为营,"很多受骗群众感觉万通公司在不断发展壮大,对其上市深信不疑,这也是这多年来警方未获得一起相关报警的原因"。
"He's trying to avoid the law. Contracts are signed after the people purchased the products or virgin stock", Office Chao explained, "Yu's scam is layers within layers. Victims were lead to really believe the company will be listing their stock and is growing stocker, which is why police never got any report until recently."
  2007年之前,于洪刚经营的是名为"帝杰"的本土公司,并配送股票;当年,他在境外购买了一家空壳公司,即"万通源商贸国际控股有限公司",然后将帝杰公司注销,把帝杰股票按比例转为万通股票,同时继续销售原始股。
Before 2007, Yu's company is caleld DiJie, with stock offering. Years later, he purchased a shell company called Vantone International Holdings outside (of China), closed DiJie, converted DiJie stocks to Vantone stock, and continue to offer "virgin stock". 
  2009年5月,万通公司在较美国纳斯达克层次低很多的OTCBB市场"上柜",标价0.2美元,代码为VNTI。万通公司对外宣称已在境外上市,上纳斯达克指日可待。在继续配送股票的同时以每股10.5元直接销售。
In May 2009, Vantone was listed in OTCBB, with price of $0.20 USD (20 cents) with symbol of VNTI. Vantone then announced that they are listed, and they will get into NASDAQ very soon, and sold stocks at $10.5 RMB. 
  "从中国股转为境外股;OTCBB市场可以通过网络查询,和股票交易系统有些相似,极具欺骗性,这些都导致群众购买热情更加高涨。"曹警官说。
Officer Chao explained further, "OTCBB can be checked through Internet (in China), and at first glance does look like regular stock market, and this is extremely misleading. This lead to further investor fever."
  据警方介绍,OTCBB只是报价系统,只要在当地注册的公司,提供财务报表,不管该公司财务状况如何,都可以在该系统挂牌。在OTCBB挂牌的企业到主板上市与其他没有挂牌的企业所需条件并无差异。
Police explained that OTCBB is just a price reporting system. Any company can get listed, no matter what their financials are, as long as they are registered properly. OCTBB listing is about the same as a company that's not listed on the "main board" (i.e. various Chinese stock exchanges). 
警方除恶务尽
Police Defeat Evil and Protect Weak
  警方查明,此次受骗的3200余人中,很多为老年人;由于他们不了解金融知识、又缺乏投资渠道,大笔养老钱、看病钱被骗。
Police found that of the 3200+ victims, any are seniors. They don't understand the financial market, and lack investment venues, and thus much of retirement savings and health savings are now gone. 
  让人哭笑不得的是,当记者请几位受访的受骗群众拿出原始股凭证时,他们却一致摇头说没有,"我们的原始股数量都是代理商帮忙统计后,汇总到万通公司,现在万通公司电脑里应该有记录"。
Even sadder revelation was when the reporter asked various victims do they have any record of these virgin stocks they purcahsed, they all said no. "Our virgin stock was all tallied by the distributor, Vantone should have records."
  让人尤为气愤的是,万通公司下设的小额贷款公司,将从群众中骗取的钱再贷给群众,要求他们购买万通销售的高价产品。如贷款不能及时归还,则以没收原股票相要挟,导致很多人向亲朋好友借钱。
What's really demented is Vantone also operates a microloan business, that loans the money scammed from victims back out to the victims, with the threat of "canceling the virgin stocks already purchased" if they don't pay up, forcing many victims to sink further into debt by borrowing from friends and neighbors. 
  警方称,本案涉案金额2亿元,于洪刚通过万通公司最终获利近亿元。"钱都用于经营了。"于洪刚用一句话答复记者提问,并不愿详谈这一话题。
Police revealed that this scam involved over 200 million RMB. Yu claiemd that Vantone profited about 100 million RMB. "Money was all used in operations."  Yu answered the reporter, with no further explanation. 
  "他将这些钱多数用于购买了商用房,并买路虎车为座驾。"曲警官告诉记者,万通公司高管每月能拿上万元的工资,一些代理商也开起了宝马车。
Officer Chu told the reporter, "He bought a commercial building and a Land Rover (NOTE: extremely expensive in China)". Vantone's officers can get over 10000 RMB per month. Some distributors drive BMW's. 
  为尽快侦破此案,沈阳市公安局抽调精干警力成立了专案组。由于本案涉及地域广、人员众多,案情复杂,怎么打、何时打?成为专案组面临的难题。
To bust this scam quickly, ShenYang police formed a special task force, as this is a huge operation involving plenty of people, plenty of jurisdictions, thousands of victims, and fraud within fraud. How and when to strike was the question faced by the police. 
  沈阳市公安局副局长王晓刚介绍说,专案组成立之初就定下了调查取证、抓捕嫌疑人、追缴涉案财物齐头并进的工作方法,确保在破案的同时有效防止涉案资产损失和流失,最大限度维护受害人的利益。
Deputy Chief XiaoGang Wong explaiend that their goal is to prevent asset of the victims from dissipating, while preserving evidence and catch all suspects. 
  2012年3月26日,得知主要犯罪嫌疑人于洪刚即将出境,专案组果断采取行动,赶赴机场,将其抓获,随后将李某某等7名涉案企业高管抓获。同时全力追缴涉案赃款赃物,最终扣押万通公司资产7000余万元。
On March 26, 2012, Police received word that head suspect Yu may be leaving the country. The task force decided to go ahead and start the raid, and arrested Yu at the airport, arrested 7 officers of the company, and attempted to follow all the assets of the company, and froze about 70 million RMB of Vantone assets. 
  "给于洪刚戴上手铐时,他嘟囔了一句,我知道迟早会有这么一天。"曲警官说。
"When we cuffed Yu, he muttered 'I knew this would happen'" Office Chu said. 
  "由于警方打击及时,本案的挽损率较高,群众合法权益得到了最大程度的保障。"王晓刚说。
"Because the police intervened in time, we were able to save a good percentage of victim's money," Deputy Chief Wong added. 
  法制网沈阳7月25日电
July 25th (2012) posted at LegalDaily China

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Not convinced yet? Perhaps you say this does NOT involve Ming Xu? 

Ming Xu's own "child companies" CareuX listed Vantone as a SISTER COMPANY. 

And even today, Ming Xu is still using the Vantone name. Albeit, only in CHINESE. 

His "WCM", is known in Chinese as 美国万通投资银行, which literraly translates to  "US WangTong Investment Bank"  WangTong... Vantone. SAME THING. 



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BREAKING NEWS: WCM Ming Xu admits on Twitter that he faked his resume on LinkedIn

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When questioned about his "doctorate", Ming Xu admits that he's NOT the founder of Joseph Global Institute, contrary to his claim on LinkedIn.
This is a screenshot in case the tweets gets deleted:


And the picture, of course, proving he lied on LinkedIn:


Note that he mentioned that Dr. Bruno was a reformed Mafia.

But wait, there's more!



What you didn't see is this tweet:

What do you think he's going to do? Make me an offer I can't refuse?


No thanks. I don't do that 7 Mountain thing.

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BREAKING NEWS: Siemens denies ANY involvement with WCM or any related company, Ming Xu lied

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Besieged by questions, Siemens denies ANY involvement with WCM, despite Ming Xu's personal video claiming a relationship, and official claims on WCM website.

Here's WCM's news as presented on their website
On November 26 2012, WCM777 has entered into a collaboration agreement with Siemens IT Solutions and Services Group (hereinafter referred to as "Siemens"), Siemens will develop a series of personal cloud service products for members of WCM777, so that the members can learn more details of "cloud computing", understand the connotations, and experience the enormous benefits that cloud services products will bring...

And here's Ming Xu himself making that claim:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dytzJTKtDbM&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DdytzJTKtDbM&app=desktop

Where he stated "cooperation with Siemens is real and solid".

Screen shot of WCM777 website announcing the news:

And here's Siemen's official reply, via multiple channels

On their website:  http://www.siemens.com/press/twitter/wcm.htm  / http://sie.ag/16FZJ6q
Official statement regarding claims made by the World Capital Market company
A company called World Capital Market and its affiliated businesses are offering opportunities to invest in cloud-based storage solutions. The company claims to operate these solutions in cooperation with Siemens.
We hereby state that no form of cooperation exists between Siemens and the World Capital Market company and its affiliated businesses. Nor do we accept any claims made in any presentation or video by WCM and its affiliated websites. The website wcm7.com and affiliated sites do not represent an official offer from Siemens. The World Capital Market (WCM/WCM7/WCM777) company is not entitled to use the Siemens name or trademark.
For your further information, Siemens' IT business (which is mentioned in some statements and presentations) was sold in 2011 (the press release can be found here http://sie.ag/17CSlLr).
In order to help other investors avoid making any investments based on false assumptions, we would urge you to pass on this information.
> Please use the following short URL as a link to this statement: http://sie.ag/16FZJ6q
Siemens AG

Screenshot of the press release


Via PDF / press release
Siemens Ltd. (Taiwan) recently has received inquiries regarding a promotional activity instigated by World Capital Marketing Inc. or WCM777 that claim that World Capital and Siemens IT Solutions and Services Group (SIS) reached a business cooperation agreement on November 26th, 2012. Siemens would like to clarify its stance on this issue:
(1) Siemens IT Solutions and Services Group (SIS) was carved out in 2011;
(2) We are not aware of any cooperation with this “World Capital Marketing Inc. (WCM777)” company.
Siemens Ltd. (Taiwan)
10/16/2013
http://www.siemens.com.tw/release/pdf/20131016_110123e.pdf

And Via Twitter itself:





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BREAKING NEWS: Ming Xu admits to being involved in multiple frauds in China and Olympic fraud, denies responsibility

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Search engine brought up this blog, allegedly by Ming Xu, where he laments at getting involved with bad people in China, denies ANY responsibility of defrauding people in China and in the US. He also called people in China generally more morally corrupt than the people in the US.

http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_67bfab070100orzy.html

It is in Chinese, so here's a short translation:


Regarding alleged scams in China

2005年低,我拿到美国绿卡后。开始回到中国,我们当时签约了中坤地产。操作其旅游业务的上市。 
At the end of 2005, I got US green card, so I returned to China, and we signed up ChungSheng Realty, and helped their travel department's IPO. 
当时,通过朋友介绍,我们也考察了哈尔滨富华公司。
Also, through a friend's introduction, we studied Harbin's FuHua company. 
2007年签约作为其财务顾问,操作其上市。
We signed contract in 2007 to be their financial advisor, to control its IPO. 
我们投资上市壳公司。这在当时是一个金融创新。 
We invested in the IPO Shell company. This at the time is a financial innovation. 
因为当时所有的中国公司必须化钱买壳。我们的壳不需要现金购买。 
At the time, all the Chinese companies need to spend money to buy shell. Our shell costs no cash. 
但是后来其董事长由于债务问题被抓出事, 其上市也不了了之。 
However, the CEO later got arrested for debt problems, so the IPO never happened. 
我们的投资和时间也付之东水。 
Our investment and time are also lost. 
但是后来很多投资过哈尔滨富华,不明真相之人,怪我们没有操作成功其上市。
Later many people who invested in Harbin FuHua company, and do not know the truth, blame us for unsuccessful IPO. 
但这不是我们能控制的,我们也没有从其集资中获益, 我们只是财务顾问, 我们也是壳的投资者。
This is beyond our control. We did not profit from this. We are financial advisor only. We invested in the shell too. 
从此事件后,我们对有民间集资背景的公司,很慎重介入, 防止被其利用去民间集资。
AFter this, we are very careful in joining any company that raises capital from the masses, to prevent raising money from the public. 
当时利用上市去民间集资,很风行。 但是大多数是没有退出机制的。
At the time IPO to raise money from investor is very popular, but vast majority has no way to back out. 
我们本来想解决这个问题,但是由于突发事件,我们也没有这个机会来解决其退出机制的问题。我们对此很遗憾。
We wanted to solve this problem, but the problem was sudden, and we had no chance to solve this chance to back out, to our everlasting regret. 
中间我们还签约了沈阳帝杰,作为其上市顾问,后来重组了该公司。
We also signed DiJie from Shenyang, to be IPO consultant, and reorganized the company. 
后来我们聘用的律师尽职调查发现其业务有问题,我们就退出了合作,签订了终止合作协议。后来其董事长也出事了。 
Later our lawyer, investigated and found problems, so we backed out of the deal, and signed our withdrawal. Later its CEO also got into problems. 
我的经验教训,我们要选择好合作伙伴。 
My experience has taught me that we need to choose good working partners. 
若合作伙伴没有选好, 再好的商业设计也是前功尽弃。
We we did not choose the right partners, no matter how good the company is, it will be wasted. 
道不同不可以相为谋。 正如神说, 义与不义, 不能同负一轭。
(some Chinese adage, and a bible adage of similar talk)
第二,在中国,我们若不谨慎小心, 就很容易成为别人做的局里面的棋子, 被人利用。
Second, in China, if we're not careful, we can be a pawn in someone else's game, and be used. 


Regarding the Olympic scam

2007年我通过我以前中国国际广播电台的同事钱军认识了一自称为北京全民迎奥运的主席,王先生。 
In 2007 I met a Mr. Wong, who claimed to be chairman of "Beijing All People Welcome Olympic", through an old workmate at CRI Mr. Chien. 
他积极拉我进入该组织,为北京奥运出力。 
He invited me to join this organization and help Beijing Olympics. 
对于能参与到北京奥运会,作为一个海外游子,能有机会为国家作贡献。我义不容辞。 
I jumped at the chance to join the Beijing Olympics as a good ex-pat to contribute to my mother nation. 
我当即捐献了一笔不菲的钱给他去推动全民办奥运的想法和主张, 他立即封我为执行主席
I donated a significant amount to him to let him promote the idea and purpose. He immediately gave me title action group leader. 
我非常喜欢其全民参与的主张。
I really like the organization's purpose. 
自己在没有对该机构尽职调查情况下,就一厢情愿支持他。
I joined without doing any due diligence, and supported him all the way. 
我想原因有二:一是朋友推荐,放松警惕;二是自己个人膨胀, 想荣耀自己的名。虚荣心使我轻易上钩了。
I think there were two reasons. One is recommended by friend, let my guard down, and two, I was overwhelmed by pride and want to show off my name. 

为了配合北京全民办奥运,我在洛杉矶召开记者招待会, 发动全球华人迎奥运 
To support Beijing Olympics, I held press conference announcing "Global Chinese Welcome Beijing Olympics"
我们也在美国加州注册成立了中国奥运基金会,中国使馆做了公证。
I also registered in California "China Olympic Fund", certified by the Chinese Embassy. 
我们在美国当时的2个子公司捐赠了几十万美元零售价值的物品给中国奥运基金会,用于公益事业。 
My two child companies in the US donated several hundred thousand dollars (MSRP) of products to the China Olympic Fund for charity.
后来我才发现,王先生给我看的在北京民政局注册的北京全民迎奥运全部是假的文件。
Later I found the paper shown to me by Mr. Wong, that stated this Beijing All People Welcome Olympic"certified by Beijing City Bureau, was a fake document. 
公章都是伪造的。
Even the seal was a fake. 
我真正领教了中国的另外一面, 有些人为了挣钱,可以不择手段。
I really experienced a different side of China... Some people will try to make money with ANY means necessary. 
我真是在海外呆傻了。我们海外华人的报国之心被利用了。
I must have gone stupid staying overseas. Our patriotic heart was abused. 

 后来中国21世纪导报在没有调查,了解实情的情况下,给我们做了不实的报道。 对此,我们的中国奥运基金会"在网站上也做了澄清。(www.MyBeijing2008.org)  
Later TwentyFirst Century Newspaper in China, by doing no investigation, made a false report. We have explained our side on our website. 
箴言里说,愚蠢的人见话就信。 我当时就是很愚蠢。大陆人才良莠不齐。不是美国,人普遍层次较高,法律严谨。 大部分人讲的话都是真的,负责的。
As the cliche goes, gullible believe anything. I was gullible. People in China comes in all alignments, not like the US, where generally people have higher morals. Most people say true and responsible things. 

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I do point out that in the newspaper, the Chinese Embassy in the US disclaims any such support. I don't know about the "notarize" part. 

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WCM777 affiliate steals Will Smith "inspirational" video, just like Club Asteria Scam Did in 2011

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Recently some WCM777 affiliate started passing around this video via Twitter


Which is this video on Youtube, where someone cut various Will Smith quotes from his interview with Steve Croft (on 60 Minutes) and Charlie Rose (PBS), apperance on Ellen Show, and his movie into a 10 minute inspirational video... With Spanish overlay subtitles.



It had NOTHING to do with WCM777 at all, or even MLM. It's all about drive and motivation.

What's worse, this very video had been used in 2011 to push the Club Asteria scam.




PPBlog reported that Will Smith picture and this very video was used by Club Asteria scam in 2011 before it collapsed. From PPBlog coverage:
A button to a video –  apparently one that appeared on YouTube and is being reframed inside the house organ — appears below the image of Smith. When clicked, the video loads footage of an interview with Smith conducted by 60 Minutes reporter Steve Kroft (NOTE: This paragraph was edited on Oct. 29, 2011, to reflect that Kroft, not Scott Pelley, conducted the 60 Minutes’ interview.) As the video proceeds, it loads footage of Smith being interviewed by broadcaster Charlie Rose. It then works in footage of a Smith interview on NBC’s Today show and a Smith interview on the “Ellen” show. Footage from other shows also are spliced into the video.
The MLM Skeptic wonders if the Latino distributors are aware of the "heritage" of this video, and its abuse, before they used it, or the irony that it brought.

Turns out they didn't even create this video. They stole it. 

The "original" was uploaded January 2010 by Accelerate.me, and itself is a severe copyright violation by doing mashup of multiple copyrighted sources: 60 Minutes (CBS), Charlie Rose (PBS), Ellen show, NBC Today Show, Will Smith's movie and more. See below with the date.






















You can view the full "original" video below:

 

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WCM Head Ming Xu posts paper with name Siemens China and some unknown company, claim it is "agreement"

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Previously, Siemens corporate and Siemens Taiwan both have denied any involvement with Ming Xu, WCM, WCM7, WCM777, and such companies.

Ming Xu claimed otherwise. He tweeted this minutes ago:


Does he really expect us to accept that a piece of paper with two names on it, NO DATE, NO CONTEXT, and accept his word it's some sort of an "agreement" between WCM and Siemens?

Heck, I read Chinese, and other than the stamp says "Siemens China", I see nothing that authenticates ANYTHING.

Also note the interference pattern. That's not a scan. That's a picture of a computer monitor taken by a smartphone.

There is a Goldpoint Holdings Inc. ... In California, headed by our buddy Zhi Liu (head of WCM777, of course!), registered April 2012.


Manta estimates this to be a 2 person company, with revenue of 100000 annual. It can't be that big in that suite, because it's shared with a "Handy Business Guide" company.



Google Streetmap says this is above a Vietnamese restaurant in a Vietnamese neighborhood.


However, this address reminded me of something... This was where Vantone was registered! And can still be found in Google!


For those that forgot Zhi Liu's involvement in the Vantone scam in China, here's a reminder:

So now, a few years later, the SAME LOCATION is used by Zhi Liu AGAIN.

But let's go back a little... What would Siemens China do business with this Goldpoint Holdings? Remember, a Holdings company hold STOCKS and OTHER COMPANIES. It typically do no business.

Also, why Siemens China? Why not any of its subsidiaries? According to the Siemens homepage:
2012 marks the 140th anniversary of Siemens’ business presence in China. Over the years, Siemens has become an integral part of the Chinese economy and a reliable, committed and trustworthy partner of China. To date, Siemens has established 16 R&D centers, 73 operating companies and 65 regional offices in China. Siemens and Shanghai Electric signed a cooperation for the set up of two new joint ventures to form a strategic alliance for the Chinese wind power market. Construction of the Siemens Electronics Works Chengdu, the Company’s largest modern digital factory in China, was commenced.
Out of 16 R&D centers, 73 operating companies, and 65 regional offices in China, which one supplies IT or computer equipment?

Why isn't WCM or WCM777 doing business with them? Why the parent company, Siemens China?

Why go through Goldpoint Holdings? Zhi Liu is head of WCM777 is he not?

What is Ming Xu NOT SHOWING US? 


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Like TVI Express Scam, WCM777 Ecuador stole President Clinton's Thank You Video

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Recently I found this Tweet from WCM777Ecuador

Yes, that's a message from Bill Clinton, recorded in 2007, thanking DSA.

You know who else stole this video to pump itself up? TVI Express Scam.




It's interesting how WCM777 is just a retread of the same old things, isn't it?



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Ming Xu got a few photos with celebrities... So what?

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Plenty of WCM folks claim that the photos with some Silicon Valley and other celebrities will somehow "prove" that Ming Xu's not a scammer, as posted on Ming Xu's Twitter account.

First, I ask you, what is the 7th Sin in the 7 Deadly Sins?

The 7th deadly sin is Pride. Showing off oneself.

And these "Ming Xu with celebrity photos" are evidence of pride: appearing next to celebrities to make oneself a faux celebrity.

Real people doing God's work are NOT supposed to show off by posing next to celebrities.
When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with the humble is wisdom. -- Proverbs 11:2
Yet every photo of WCM777 are of leaders showing off themselves alone, themselves standing next to Ming Xu, Ming Xu himself, Ming Xu standing next to some celebrity... or Someone Ming Xu claims to know standing next to some celebrity (like his friend in Colombia, which he can't spell, shaking hands with the Pope).

They are ALL evidence of pride.

Now you are probably complaining, but those celebrities can't possibly take a photo with a scammer!

You'd be sadly mistaken.

Frankly, if you can afford to buy yourself into that forum (and Ming Xu is a "diamond sponsor", look it up, which means he paid at least $10000) he can pose with anybody he wants, esp. with the abbreviated resume he presented to the forum, not mentioning his various shady activities such as

  • "zero-risk EB-5 residency visa for $530000 USD"  [Proof]
  • "WCM777 ponzi scheme under investigation in Colombia" [Tweet and news]
  • "lying about working with Siemens" [Proof]
  • "confessed to fudging his LinkedIn profile"  [Proof]
  • "confessed involvement in Olympic fundraising scandal" [Case] [confession]
  • "confessed involvement in Vantone stock / pyramid scam in China"  [case] [confession]
  • "continued to use Vantone name, but ONLY IN CHINESE"
  • Created multiple questionable unaccredited schools such as "Harvard Global Institute" [Proof]
  • and so on and so forth 
But if you want a better example... Any one recognize this photo?



Yes, that's President GW Bush on the right. Who's on the left? That guy claims to be "Commander" Bobby Thompson. He can't possibly be a scammer because he shook hands with the president, which means Secret Service must have looked him over, right?

WRONG!  This guy is a con man, who ran a fake foundation called US Navy Veterans Association. He got ton of donations (millions), then tried to stash the money under multiple identities, disappeared with 1 million cash in a suitcase, captured after a manhunt, and claimed IN COURT that the whole thing is a CIA plot.

But wait, there's more examples of conmen posing next to really famous people!


Want a case in Asia? Any one recognize this picture?


Perhaps this one?


Anybody will probably recognize that's Justin Bieber in the blue jacket, and it's the same girl in both pictures. Those that keep up with Asian news may recognize Filipino President Benigno Aquino on the right in the top picture, but who's that pretty girl? That's the Jeannie, daughter of a pork barrel scam queen of Philippines, Janet Lim-Napoles. [Link 1]  This is Janet's official photo:


She got a Wikipedia page all to herself, for basically embezzling government funds to do pork barrel projects that lined her own pockets with help of powerful friends. The outcry was so loud she surrendered to the Filipino president, fearing for her life at hands of a local lynch mob.

If this is too far away, how about a case from South America? Any one recognize this picture?


No? That's office of DMG, or David Murcia Guzman, the most notorious pyramid / Ponzi scheme Colombia had ever known. The girls in red are the DMG employees. But who's that guy? That's Juan Carlos Varela vice president of Panama.  He was running for president in 2008 and he was visiting DMG office in Panama.

David Murcia Guzman was also laundering money for the drug cartels. He was arrested in Panama, sent back to Colombia, who decided to hand him over to the US, spend a few years of jail in the US, before going back to Colombia for even MORE jail time.

Don't you think the DMG people was flashing this photo around, trying to claim they are legal and all that?

I got more cases in China, but I have a feeling you won't feel like reading those, so I'll skip it for now.

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I have no doubt that various people will claim that I must be then guilty of 'envy', another sin. Except, what proof do you have that I am envious?

Indeed, what does the Bible say about this?
Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. -- Ephesians 5:11
Perhaps I am doing God's work. How do you know I'm not? Your faith? In what exactly?
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. -- 2 Timothy 4:3-4
Have YOU turned away from the truth, and wandered off into myths?


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When Robin Hood Turned Out to Be Just Hood: Story of "Double Shah" Ponzi scheme in Pakistan

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If a man, having had no financial education, went to Dubai (United Arab Emirates) for six months, came back, and claimed he can DOUBLE the money you give him in only 15 days, would you believe him? Most of us would answer: no way.

Yet that's what thousands of people did in Pakistan, in the infamous case of "Double Shah", the nickname bestowed upon Syed Sitbul Shah. And like Charles Ponzi, Double Shah's scam did not last, even though people were lining up to give him money, just like Charles Ponzi.

In 2005, Syed Sitbul Shah, who was a mere humble school teacher, took leave from his work and spent six months in United Arab Emirates, specifically Dubai. Upon return to his town, Wazirabad, in Punjab region of Pakistan, he started circulating the news that he has learned the secrets of money in Dubai, that he can double people's money in 15 days.

And it took only one person (his old friend) to start, and a small amount to get started. When that was doubled, word spread, soon 1 became 10 (his old work colleagues), 10 became 100... And soon people are lined up outside his home DEMANDING that he take their money for doubling. Soon the dates start to slip. 15 days became 30 days, 30 days became 60 days, and then 70 days. Now dubbed "Double Shah", he purchased various assets with the money, such as multiple gasoline and CNG stations in Punjab, the region he was in, as well as alleged casinos in Dubai. It is estimated that he had gathered TENS OF BILLIONS of Rupiahs (up to 1 billion US dollars) by some estimates. Some claimed that he had RETURNED 40 billion rupiahs to investors.

All that came crashing down when a newspaper "The Nation" out of Lahore published a full investigative report, prompting a full police investigation on in April 2007 and arrest of Double Shah a week later. (Just like Charles Ponzi).




Upon report of his arrest, two thousand people surrounded the police station, at least half of whom actually believed that Shah had the Midas touch, that they want Double Shah released to continue to work his "double magic". The other half just wondered what happened to their money.

Double Shah's nephew was reported by newspaper to have said, "the arrested of a committed man like his uncle had shattered the dreams of thousands of people".

Double Shah was convicted by Pakistan National Accountability Bureau to have engaged in economic fraud and will spend 14 years in jail plus a fine of 5.4 BILLION Rupiahs. (50 million USD)

Even today Double Shah is believed by some devout locals to actually have possessed the power to double money, and refused to believe Double Shah had been operating a Ponzi scheme.

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The MLM Skeptic makes the following observations:

Scammers ALWAYS look trustworthy

Many people fly the flag of trustworthiness, pushing every trigger such as wearing white, cites God, calls for prayers, claim to be benefiting the rich and poor alike, blah blah blah. Even a few demonstrations of his alleged powers is not really proof. Illusions and magic and fraud are quite simple to accomplish.

Scams are recycled

This case is virtually IDENTICAL to how the Charles Ponzi case turned out, except Ponzi only promised double in 90 days, not 15. And Ponzi at least had initially a plausible method (arbitrage of international reply coupons) to achieve such profits. Double Shah had nothing. Just like Ponzi, Double Shah was exposed by a newspaper, prompting his arrest.

Robin Hood are often just Hoods

Many people who believed in Shah because he doesn't discriminate... he'll take anybody's money.  Yet many of these "helpers of the poor", "providing opportunities to all" turned out just to be "hoods" who cheated some of the poorest people in the world, who had even less to lose than others.

Alleged Victim's Opinions Cannot Be Trusted

Victims, going through 5 phases of grief (denial, anger, depression, bargain, acceptance), cannot be counted on to say logical and sensical things until they reached acceptance.

  • Denial -- I was not cheated! It's the government! They ruined a good thing!
  • Anger -- Hang him! Hang him! I hate myself! How can I be this STUPID!?!?!
  • Depression -- How do I live with myself having lost my family savings? 
  • Bargain -- Can I just get SOMETHING back? ANYTHING? 
  • Accept -- I have learned my lesson

References

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Shah
http://www.chowrangi.com/double-shah-an-enigma.html
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007%5C04%5C14%5Cstory_14-4-2007_pg7_18
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Ponzi






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What Does the Bible Say About Scammers Claiming to be Man (or Woman) of God?

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There are plenty of scammers who claimed to be men (and women) of God, but scammed people in various schemes, such as Ponzi schemes, pyramid schemes, and so on and so forth. Some operated such schemes themselves. Others participated in such schemes and recruited their church members.

And please don't say this does not happen. Here are a couple examples.
Nanci Jo Frasier, of Focus Up Ministries of Ohio, pusher of Profitable Sunrise Ponzi
[Report 1] [Report 2] [Report 3] [Report on Profitable Sunrise]
Bradley Collins, fake pastor, in $30 million Ponzi scheme within state of Indiana
[Report]
Jim Bakker of the PTL Club, who kept two separate accounting books to conceal his fraud in the millions.
[Wikipedia entry]
There are many many more scammers, who were WIDELY KNOWN to be man (or woman) of God, yet was clearly sinning by telling lies, committing fraud, and dragging innocent people into scam for their own profit.

What does the Bible say about such scammers and sinners, who flies the banner of God but are clearly working for Satan?



False Men and Women of Righteousness

Bible has LONG recognized that there are many false men and women of righteousness, even if they can perform miracles.

"So it is no surprise if his [Satan's] servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness."
-- 2 Corinthians 11:15

"false Christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect." -- Matthew 24:24

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves."
-- Matthew 7:15

"For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths." -- 2 Timothy 4:3-4

False prophets, in this case, don't want your soul, but want your allegiance and your money, and promise you wealth if you join. All the while flying the banner of God. They are teaching you myth instead of truth.

Now you're probably asking, how do you know who's telling the truth, and who's telling myths? 


How to Discern False Righteousness

So how do you tell a false teacher from a real one? 

One test is does he teach the Gospel properly? Beware that the Gospel is NOT simple messages like "God Loves You" or "God Wants You To Be Wealthy" or such platitudes. The Gospel is clearly defined as "the good news concerning Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection, according to the Scriptures" (1 Corinthians 15:1-4)  If he teaches something else, something is not right.  (thanks to GotQuestions.org)
  
Another test is the "tree test", which is derived from this Bible quote:

"You will recognize them [false prophets] by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit." -- Matthew 7:16-18

Clearly we are not talking about trees, but the meaning is clear: bad father, bad child. If the father is pure, the child is pure. Etc. This metaphor can be taking in many ways. Is the possible scammer involved in previous scams, or suspected shady behavior? If so, how do you really know his "current" project is clean? 

One more test... the St. Jude test of 3 major errors

"Woe to them! For they walked in the way of Cain and abandoned themselves for the sake of gain to Balaam’s error and perished in Korah’s rebellion." -- Jude 11
  • "Way of Cain" refers to Cain's rejection of God's plan and killing his brother
  • "Balaam's error" refers to Balaam's sabotage of the Israelites through false offerings, and curse / prophesize for money
  • "Korah's rebellion" refers to Korah's promotion of himself over Moses
Rembrandt's Balaam and his Ass
Rembrandt's Balaam and his Ass
(Photo credit: Wikipedia)
Balaam, according to the Bible, was under control of God, was not able to curse the Israelites, but later he told King Balak of the Moabs how to get the Israelites to curse themselves through committing sins by leading them astray. That, according to St. Jude, is just as serious as Cain's betrayal by killing his brother. 

But basically, betraying God for money is one of the ultimate sins. And if you're naive enough to fall for a false prophet of money, you're not only dumb and greedy, you're just as guilty, but at least you can beg for forgiveness, as your betrayal was technically not deliberate. 


Punishment for Such Scammers

May the scammer who scammed you in the name of God, and lead you to scam others, by spreading the false message for the scammer, rot in hell where they belong. 

"Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. " -- Matthew 7:19


What should you do to such scammers

How to punish such is God's work, however, Bible has a bit of advice for you:

Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. -- Ephesians 5:11

You may help someone else to turn away from the darkness, and embrace the true light, not the false promises of a scammer falsely flying the banner of God but doing work of the Devil. 
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BREAKING NEWS: Tesla CIO Jay Vijayan surprised at his picture appearing on WCM777 websites, will seek removal

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A few days ago Ming Xu of WCM presented his speech at SVIEF 2013, and took pictures with Steve Wozniak (ex-Apple), Al Gore (ex US VP), and Jay Vijayan (CIO of Tesla). These pictures, already translated along with Ming Xu's 10 minute video, are spreading like weeds among WCM777 affiliates who are posting them on their websites and blogs and tweets and videos as if it adds credibility to the suspected Ponzi scheme.

Guess what... Just found following tweet:


One down, two to go!
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What's common among Pigeon Chess, Scam, and the Matrix? Victims.

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What's common between pigeon chess,
scam, and the Matrix?
 (Photo credit: Bill & Mark Bell)
Recently someone reminded me of this Internet meme: Pigeon Chess. It basically goes like this:
Arguing with [Insert Group Name] is like playing chess with a pigeon: no matter how good I am, the pigeon will knock over the pieces, craps all over the board, then fly off and claim victory with its flock
You can find various versions of this with various group names substituted, from retards to Christians to Mac Users, but what this really applies is a bit of a double entendre... as a "pigeon" is also slang for an "easy mark" or a "dupe", i.e. a gullible person, easily scammed.

And nowhere is this more obvious with pseudo-MLM scam victims, who refuse to recognize they had been cheated even when all the signs are right in front of them.

I've discussed "3 blind men and elephant" analogy before, as well as "ignorance is not bliss", but I thought I'd just hit this theme one MORE time to make my point.

Scam victims, i.e. a pigeon, often believe in the scam so much that nothing you tell them will convince them that they had been scammed. Instead, they'll insult you, refuse to listen to you, and claim they had "won" their argument with you by leaving.  They are much like Cypher... preferring the Matrix to reality. or to steal another catchphrase... "You can't handle the truth!" (from the movie "A Few Good Men")

Just like the pigeon who will knock over the pieces, crap all over the board, and fly off to its flock squawking victory.

Let's look at a few examples.


How do the "pigeons" knock over the pieces? They basically ignore the playing field (discussing whether this potentially fraudulent scheme is indeed fraudulent) and accuse you of "not understanding" (All these are actual quotes)
Unfortunately people who do not understand [Insert Company Name] & its very unique and life changing ideas, can sadly misinterpret things.
by the way guy that published the article. you cant be making up stuff lol conspiracies you are an idiot with all due respect
They don't try to debate you on the points you raised. They refuse to accept ANY of your arguments.

How do the "pigeons" crap all over the table? They simply come right out and insult you, with variations of:
You're just negative
You're just a hater who hate our affluence
You don't want us to succeed
You're just jealous
And so on and so forth. They decided that you don't "like" what they say, they are justified in hating you. So they decide to rant about how crappy you are, thus, 'crapping all over the board'.

Finally, they leave in a huff while claiming victory.Most of them don't ever offer any counter-arguments that can be debated.

When you point out their failings, they leave in a huff claiming that they don't want to play with you.

Don't be a pigeon. 


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17 Signs that You're In a Sales Cult, or How a Sales Cult is like the Borg

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Patrick Stewart as Locutus, the assimilated Je...
Patrick Stewart as Locutus, the Borg assimilated
Jean-Luc Picard (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
A sales cult is a deformed "sales team", that uses cult tactics to keep and grow its membership, to take over its member's lives to the point where the members essentially cuts off most ties from his normal social circle all in the name of "success".

At what price? Are you really joining the Borg Collective instead?

Following are the signs that you're in a sales cult, not a sales organization. How many did you spot?

  • I chant and sing every morning as part of a group "warmup"
  • I have a mentor who shadows me almost 24/7. 
  • I am always looking out for new recruits, whom I hope to mentor one day
  • I am fully involved in my job / opportunity and have no time for frivolous stuff, like relationships
  • I buy my clothes and stuff on credit because I haven't made any money (soon...)
  • I think my partner / friend / family does NOT support me fully in my job / opportunity
  • I have drifted apart from my regular partner, friends, and family
  • I attend all sorts of after-work social events by my sales leader and mentor
  • I am often very tired as I don't sleep much (I wonder how "they" do it...)
  • I think my partner does NOT understand how important my job/opportunity is to me
  • I think my partner does NOT understand how hard I am working
  • I am not stopping for anyone or anything (including "friends", "family", "partner", and more)
  • I cite my daily or weekly accomplishments to the team and I am PROUD of it. 
  • I feel very sad if I don't hit my daily / weekly goals
  • I am jealous of my sales leader's success and paycheck and fancy car and fancy cloths
  • I have some doubts, but I don't dare show it. I am sure it's a phase that will pass. 
  • I can't quit. I will let my leader and the team down if I do. They'll tell me I'm not a quitter. I am not. 


How many of these apply to you? Read on to understand why these are signs of a cult, not a business.

Below you will find two people discussing the signs above... a cult expert, and a former member of the Borg collective (this is kinda humorous, but rather dark humor).




I chant and sing every morning as part of a group "warmup"

Cult expert: Group chanting and singing is a common cult tactic. Group chant and group singing affect our brain, in a process that is not completely understood, to produce altered consciousness, similar to that of meditation or some drug use. Group chant and group singing makes you more malleable and susceptible to the group message. Religions have long used religious choirs for this effect.

Ex-Borg: Nano-probes are more efficient.

I have a mentor who shadows me almost 24/7. 

Cult Expert: By isolating you from new members and only pair you with an experience long-time (trusted) member (let's say "elder") you will ONLY see the view that the group / elder want you to see. By dominating your life you won't seek out alternate sources of information, and accept their version as the whole truth. This is standard cult "information control" disguised as "mentoring".

Ex-Borg: Nano-probes are more efficient.


I am always looking out for new recruits, whom I hope to mentor one day

Cult expert: Just as your recruiter found you, you're out to recruit someone else.  Just as you are being mentored, you hope to mentor someone else.

Ex-Borg: You are much like us, through much cruder methods.

I am fully involved in my job / opportunity and have no time for frivolous stuff, like relationships

Ex-Borg: You are like the Borg. Desires are irrelevant. Love is irrelevant. Relationships are irrelevant. Family is irrelevant. There is only the Borg / Opportunity.

Cult Expert: (Awkward pause) You volunteered, and were not compelled by nano-probes.

I buy my clothes and stuff on credit because I haven't made any money (soon...)

Cult Expert: You had to fit in. You had to wear fancy duds and bling to sell stuff. Never mind you can't afford it.

Ex-Borg: Your budget is irrelevant.

I attend all sorts of after-work social events by my sales leader and mentor

Ex-Borg: Sleep is irrelevant.

Cult Expert: Keeping you tired but constantly exposed to group thought is also a way of brain washing. When you are sleep-deprived, your mind becomes more gullible / malleable / susceptible to their truth.

Ex-Borg: I am starting to see the appeal of psychological manipulation.

I am often very tired as I don't sleep much (I wonder how "they" do it...)

Cult Expert: If you are working 8-12 hour days, AND attend social events at night, you're obviously NOT getting enough sleep and proper rest. You can do it for a little while, but sooner or later you will crash (both figuratively and literally).  As mentioned above, sleep deprivation opens you up to suggestions, and also makes you too tired to doubt their narrative and/or conduct your own research / verification. 

Ex-Borg: Your physical needs are irrelevant. 

I think my partner / friend / family does NOT support me fully in my job / opportunity

Cult Expert: Your partner / friend / family don't support you jumping off the bridge either. Did you evaluate their support, or lack of, properly? 

Ex-Borg: They are irrelevant. 

I have drifted apart from my regular partner, friends, and family

Cult expert: That's another side effect of cult sales. They replaced your partner, friends, and family, with your mentor, your sales team, and your entire organization. 

Ex-Borg: They are irrelevant. 

I think my partner does NOT understand how important my job/opportunity is to me

Ex-Borg: Their understanding is irrelevant. 

Cult expert: I got nothing to add. 

I think my partner does NOT understand how hard I am working

Cult Expert: At what price? You can be working hard doing something impossible, so it's all wasted effort. Then what? 

Ex-Borg: Their understanding is irrelevant. 

I am not stopping for anyone or anything (including "friends", "family", "partner", and more)

Ex-Borg: They are irrelevant. Borg / job / opportunity is the only thing that matter. 

Cult Expert: By having you cut off your ties to your existing social circle, they have INCREASED your dependence on them for the social feedback. 

I cite my daily or weekly accomplishments to the team and I am PROUD of it. 

Cult Expert: another part of cult tactic is daily or weekly confessions where members are required to confess to sins or shortcomings. Sometimes, the opposite is done: members are required to attend meeting where high-performing members are praised (to shame the rest). But the bottom point is sell stuff. 

Ex-Borg: Your job / opportunity is the only thing that matter. Your life is irrelevant. Your ego is irrelevant. 

I feel very sad if I don't hit my daily / weekly goals

Cult Expert: Your job / opportunity is the only thing that matter. You have been trained well, much like one of Pavlov's dogs. To keep you productive, it is best if your happiness is tied to your productivity in Borg / job / opportunity. Ultimately, your sadness is irrelevant. 

Ex-Borg: I think I was supposed to say that least part? 

I am jealous of my sales leader's success and paycheck and fancy car and fancy cloths

Cult Expert: If you dedicate your all, you "have a chance" to be like him. But ultimately, your success is irrelevant. 

Ex-Borg: You did it again! 

I have some doubts, but I don't dare show it. I am sure it's a phase that will pass. 

Ex-Borg: Your doubts are irrelevant. Your wellbeing is irrelevant. Ultimately, you are irrelevant, as long as the Borg / job / opportunity survives. 

Cult Expert:: Humans call this Sammelweiss Reflex. In order to prevent rejection from his peers, a man will suppress his own thoughts and logic that goes against peer practice and / or common knowledge. 

I can't quit. I will let my leader and the team down if I do. They'll tell me I'm not a quitter. I am not. 

Ex-Borg: Your desires are irrelevant. Your existence is irrelevant. There is only the Borg / job / opportunity. 

Cult Expert: If you actually do voice it, they'll send a team out to guilt-trip you into staying. 

Ex-Borg: I am starting to like humans. 

 
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BREAKING NEWS: Interush Hong Kong Closed by Police as Alleged Pyramid Scheme, 5 Arrested, thousands of possible victims

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Hong Kong skyline from the Peak (Photo credit: xopherlance)
Hong Kong police reported that they have arrested five people, including 1 American, of a company called "Interush" in Hong Kong. The company claims to be a tech company selling cloud-based technologies, but police have found evidence that they are using pyramid selling to recruit members. Reports surfaced that on November 1st, 2013, up to 400 mainland Chinese are lined out outside Interush's Hong Kong office hoping to sign up for the income opportunity. Police moved in on the 6th and shut the whole thing down.

Initial reports from PatrickPretty.com, citing an article from South China Sea Post, did not list a company name. It took several minutes of searching Chinese news to locate the original Chinese article as reported by singpao.com, but that did not list the company name either. It took several more searches across Chinese news websites to locate the company name, Interush. That news is translated line by line below:

数百内地人排队欲入会 港警方捣破层压式推销公司

Hundreds of Mainlanders in Queue to Join Up, 
Hong Kong Police Broke Open Pyramid Selling Company
2013年11月07日 12:59 07-NOV-2013  来源:中国新闻网 Source:  China NewsNet
数百内地人排队欲入会港警方捣破层压式推销公司
    香港商业罪案调查科探员在红磡都会大厦一办公室内拘捕4男1女(左图), Hong Kong Commercial Crime Bureau Investigators arrested 4 male and 1 female in  in Hunghom Duhui office building (Left Photo)
全部涉嫌违反禁止层压式计划条例被扣查,探员并检走大量文件及计算机数据作证物(右图)。All are detained for investigation into alleged violations of "anti-pyramid selling ordinance". Investigators confiscated large amounts of documents, and several computers as evidence (right photo)
来源:香港《明报》 Source: Hong Kong "Mingbo" newspaper
  中新网11月7日电 据香港《明报》报道,
According to Mingbo News out of Hong Kong
11月1日在港铁红磡站外有数百名内地人通宵排队,
Outside the HomHong HKRail station hundreds were lined up overnight on 1-NOV-2013
为加入一间声称即将上市的科技公司,
All to join a high tech company that claimed it will soon go under IPO
盼日后获过百万元(港币 下同)分红的机会。
Hoping for a chance to share in possibly 1 million HKD profit
香港警方商业罪案调查科调查该公司后,
HKPD Commercial Crime Bureau Investigation Unit conducted an investigation
怀疑该公司涉及层压式推销,
and suspect this company is conducting pyramid selling. 
6日晚突击搜查该公司位于红磡都会大厦的办公室,
and thus conducted a raid in the evening 6-NOV-2013 on its office located in Homhong Duhui Building. 
拘捕5人,并检获约18万元现金及检走大批文件调查。
5 were arrested, and taken into evidence 180000 HKD in cash, as well as large amounts of documents. 
  称上市后获百万分红  Claimed if IPO split 1 million bonus
  被捕4男1女年龄介乎27至53岁,当中包括一名外籍人士,
Arrested were 4 male and 1 female between 27 to 53 of age, including one foreign national
全部涉嫌违反《禁止层压式计划条例》被带署扣查。
All were detained for suspicion of violating "anti pyramid selling ordinance" and brought to the station. 
  据了解,涉案的Interush声称是“云端科技公司”,
Interush, the alleged violation, claimed to be "cloud tech company"
在网上声称公司日后一经上市,其会员可获巨额分红,
Claimed online that company, if successful IPO, all members will share in a HUGE profit split
并以朋友介绍朋友的方式,不断吸引下线会员入会,
Using "friend introduce friend" method, continue to attract downlines to join
上周五(11月1人)吸引近400名内地人通宵排队取筹入会。
Last Friday (1-NOV-2013) there were up to 400 mainlanders lined up overnight waiting to join up. 
  警方证实,商罪科正调查一宗层压式推销案件,
HKPD confirmed that Commercial Crime Bureau is investigating a pyramid-selling case
并于6日晚9时许突击搜查红磡都会大厦一间办公室,
And conducted a raid on an office in Homhong Duhui building at about 9PM on 6-NOV-2013
在现场起出约18万现金,并检走大量文件及计算机作进一步调查。
Found 180000 HKD in cash at the premises, and took into custody large amounts of documents and computers as evidence for further investigation. 
  据《禁止层压式计划条例》订明,
According to anti-pyramid selling ordinance,
任何诱使或企图诱使他人加入层压式计划,
Any one recruiting or attempting to recruit people into pyramid selling schemes
最高可罚款100万元及监禁7年。
Can be fined up to 1000000 HKD and 7 years of jail time
警方呼吁任何市民怀疑受骗或就案件有数据提供,
HKPD is asking all victims who suspect they had been defrauded, or have concrete numbers regarding this case, 
可与商罪科联络。
Please contact the Commercial Crime Bureau 
【编辑:丁文蕾】Edited by WenLai Ding

Other reports of the same event indicated that the foreign national is an American, with first name of "Edward". No last name was given. Yet some other report claimed that he's the person in charge, acting as some sort of legal advisor or lawyer / barrister, and the other 4 detained were only junior employees.

The shocker is Interush is based in Irvine, California, which is not far from Los Angeles!




Interush, at first glance of their official website, at interush.com, does NOT appear to be a MLM or pyramid selling website. Indeed, it does appear to be a high tech company, with offices in China, Irvine California USA, Taipei Taiwan, Singapore, and so on. However, its own org chart stated that the umbrella corporation that owns all the subsidiaries is Interush Holdings incorporated in Bermuda, a known tax haven.

Interush is also a big racing fan, with sponsorships spanning Indy Car, 24-hours Rolex, and even NASCAR. it even sponsored a driver out of Hong Kong to compete in 24 hours of Rolex.

Checking the ENTIRE corporate website showed NO signs of any multi-level organization. There are mentions of "affiliates", but nothing about compensation plan. One must turn to various Youtube videos where top affiliates (most of whom are NOT in high tech) claimed to be earning lots of money. Below are some vid caps, and translated explanations.


The slide on screen says:

Summary
What is a stock option
What is a virtual stock option
Benefits of a virtual stock option
Factors that affects an IPO
How to execute a virtual stock option
Virtual stock option and company growth

If you want to see this for yourself, the video is at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iOMC0J2hvbY

They got the former CFO of Foxconn making this presentation, sure looks legit, doesn't it?

Apparently they got people investing in this back in 2010... looking for "virtual stockholders" (WTF?!)

But that was back in 2010. This vidcap is from video allegedly from February 2013



From the top, just below "Interush"

Group Bonus
Assist in recruiting more affiliate members
*Affiliate members help promote Iris cloud suite
* Each suite costs $3600 (buy 1 or 3)
* If left and right legs each successuflly sold 7 sets, 1 "cycle" is achieved, bonus $2680

At the top of the pyramid is "self"

Now there's no doubt this thing IS multilevel, is there? But wait, there's more!


Global Share Bonus
Assist in recruiting more affiliate members
IRIS cloud service suite yearly profit
split to all qualified leaders
Bronze level members (regular bronze, triple bronze, quintuple bronze) split share 2%
Top level members (silver, gold, and platinum) split share 2%

But wait, there's more!


PSP Global Profit Share

Interush Portal ad revenue 50%     +     Interush Iris Retail 50% fund  = profit fund

Your points (PV)   * Profit Fund / Total Points of all active affiliates = possible profit share

We share our profit with our members including ad revenue, IRIS retail, and ARC e-commerce plan

Oh, and they also sell nutritional supplements under iHealthScience branch, part of ARC e-Commerce plan.

You're welcome to check the accuracy of my vidcaps:    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAqnaq8o62g

By this time, it's pretty clear that this Interush is actually a MLM, who also happen to have cloud technology, but nothing unique about them. They'll also sell you "professional e-conference solution" (What's wrong with Skype or Google Hangouts?) among other things that seem to just cost too much given what's available for free.

The presenter used virtually every bad argument in the book. The comp plan was always about how much profit you *can* share, not how much was shared. Actual details are glossed over, while plenty of time was spent on how the company has linkup with Google, i-Racing, NASCAR, etc. etc. He kept emphasizing that in this business anybody can succeed, and the 4 "platinum" in Taiwan all look like middle-aged, workers, not geeks. You don't need to a degree!  This is NOT a JOB!  This is an OPPORTUNITY! etc. etc.

Frankly, the idea that a company has multiple layers is somewhat troubling. It is a lot like spy cells... Each group operate separately with no knowledge of the other... plausible deniability and all that. Right now, Interush US can disavow their HK operation and there's nothing the US regulators can do to them as the problem were all in HK and can be blamed on the HK subsidiary, even when it's clear the core's suspicious, and the home website has absolutely NO MENTION of the comp plan, much less affiliate agreement.

Stay tuned. This can get ugly.



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CONTINUED COVERAGE: Interush Closed in Hong Kong, tracing news report timeline

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The first report of Interush being a possible pyramid scheme first surface in Hong Kong on 1-NOV-2013. This is a line-by-line translation out of Apple Daily News of Hong Kong

http://hk.apple.nextmedia.com/news/art/20131101/18488732

科技公司招會員 



Tech Company Looking for Affiliates

稱上市後可分紅百萬



Claims after IPO can share profit 1 million

400內地人 排通宵發夢



400 Mainlanders lined up overnight for dreams of riches

■大批內地人在港鐵紅磡站外排隊攞籌,希望加入Interush成為會員。梁偉權攝
Lots of Mainlanders waiting outside HKRail Homhung station hoping for a chance to join Interush, photo by WeiChuan Liang
【本報訊】港鐵紅磡站昨有數百名內地人排隊,
At the HomHang HKRail station there were hundreds of people lined up
甚至不惜通宵瞓街,
Even sleep in the street overnight
目的是想加入一間聲稱即將上市的科技公司成為會員,
Purpose to to join as affiliate, a tech company that claims it will IPO soon
該公司稱上市後會員有機會分紅過百萬元,
This company claimed when it IPO affiliates have a chance to receive over 1 million
故昨吸引近400人為此黃金夢蜂擁而至。
Thus yesterday attract nearly 400 people who dreams of gold and riches
就昨日情況,估計該公司昨一天已收取年費近1,000萬元。
Based on yesterday, this company on that one day would have received yearly fees of 10 million. 
有立法會議員促請警方調查,了解是否屬違規集資。
Parliament member request police to investigate, understand if this is illegal public offering of securities.
記者:郭美華 梁偉權 馮國良


Reporters MaiHua Guo, WeiChuang Liang, GuoLiang Fong
記者昨前往該公司位於紅磡都會大廈辦公室了解,
Reporter yesterday went to the company office at HomHang DuHui building to investigate
職員稱負責人出差,不作回應;
Employee claimed that person in charge is out on business, no answers
記者再致電熱線,有操普通話女職員介紹入會細節,
Reporter than called the company hotline. A female employee speaking Mandarin (Editor's note: Hong Kong speaks Cantonese, Mainland China speaks Mandarin)  explained how to join as affiliate. 
但當問及公司是否正申請上市及分紅事宜,
When asked if the company is going to IPO and split profit with affiliates
她則稱不能向非會員透露。
She said these are details that are not revealed to non-affiliates. 
警方發言人指商罪科未接獲相關舉報,
HKPD spokesperson said that Commercial Crime Bureau has not received any complaints
但指市民如懷疑被騙可報警,
But pointed out any citizens, if they suspect they have been defrauded, should report it to the police. 
警方發現涉及刑事成份的行為定會依法調查。
Police will investigate any portions that involves possibly criminal behavior. 
起爭議的雲端科技公司「Interush」,
This controversial cloud tech company "Interush"
網頁報稱03年於美國加州成立,
Was allegedly created in California, USA in 2003, according to webpages
主要生產網上雲端程式,
Primary product is Internet Cloud Software
在美、加、日、台及香港均有公司。
have branch offices in US, Canada, Japan, Taiwan, and Hong Kong
據公司註冊處資料香港Interush股東為百慕達登記公司,
According to HK Companies House (registrar) Interush is owned by a company registered in Bermuda. 
董事Martin J. Matthews為公司的全球執行長,
CEO is Martin J. Matthews
網上個人介紹指他曾帶領其他公司股價暴升。
Netizens claimed that he had lead other companies to meteoric stock price rises.
據悉,Interush不少上線會員都聲稱公司一旦上市,
會員可獲巨額分紅,
Affiliates can receive huge profit shares
以此作招徠以朋友介紹的方式不斷吸引下線會員入會,
And use that to entice "friend introduction" method to keep recruiting downlines to join as affiliates
據本報取得的講座資料,
According to presentation material obtained by this newspaper
曾有人聲稱若會員每年付2.4萬年費及介紹足夠人數入會,
According to reports, if affiliates pay 24000 (HKD) yearly fee, and recruit enough affiliates
即可每年賺取60萬至80萬的點數,
Can earn yearly about 60000 to 80000 "points"
待日後Interush上市,
Later when Interush goes IPO
預測會員將有機會在三年內累積獲利逾120萬元
Predict that affiliates has a chance to cumulatively get 1.2 million (HKD) over 3 years. 
,講座亦提及「會員首次必須到香港分公司辦理登記」。
The presentation also mentioned "affiliates just register in Hong Kong branch"
■會場外有保安把守,不准外人擅自進入。Outside of meeting has security, does not allow uninvolved people in.

Interush曾活躍於內地及台灣

Interush was really hot in Mainland and Taiwan
由於盛傳10月份入會,
There were popular reports that if you join in October
上市後可多分紅9,000元,
After IPO you can get extra 9000
昨日是10月的最後一天,
Yesterday was October 31st, final day
因此數百名內地人趕來港排隊取籌入會,
Hundreds of mainlanders came to Hong Kong to line up for a chance to join
甚至有人通宵瞓街。昨晨8時許,
Some even sleep in the street over night. As of yesterday morning 8AM
該公司已派籌400個,以每人2.4萬元入會費計算,
Company has passed out 400 admit tokens. At 24000 yearly fee per person
昨單日收取年費高達960萬元。
They must have received, on that one day, yearly fee of 9.6 million
記者見持籌者被帶往都會海逸酒店宴會廳辦理入會手續及發給會員申請書,
Reporter saw that those with tokens are directed to DuHui Haiduen Hotel's banquet hall to complete the affiliate agreement and complete the procedure
但申請表卻列明2.4萬元年費僅屬「雲端服務使用月費」,
However the application states that 24000 yearly fee is "cloud service monthly fee"
參加者並須簽署確認「參加動機絕非以投資為目的」,
Participants must sign and confirm "I understand my intention is not to invest"
不過眾參加者仍深信公司會上市令他們獲巨利。
However, those to joined deeply believe that company will IPO and make them rich. 
該公司數年前已活躍於內地及台灣,
This company was active in mainland and Taiwan for many years
有內地報章曾以大篇幅報道Interush經營手法,
A few years ago mainland newspaper have reported controversial behavior of Interush
並質疑公司要求內地會員在香港繳會費是否為迴避內地法律;
And wondered if the company is trying to skirt mainland laws by requiring mainland members to join in Hong Kong
另09年台灣已有網民於討論區質疑該公司遲遲未上市令家人要不斷交年費。
In 2009 Taiwan netizens have wondered why haven't this company gone IPO yet continued to insist its members keeping paying the monthly fees
民主黨立法會議員何俊仁律師質疑該公司是否有詐騙或誤導成份,
Congressional member JunZen Ho (esq) questioned if the company is misleading the public
認為警方應主動搜集證據;立法會議員王國興亦要求商業罪案調查科介入調查。
Believe that the police should start investigating; GuoXing Wang, another congressional member, also requested commercial crime bureau to investigate as well. 
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Those who read this blog often may recall this is the same sort of scam that Vantone pulled in China. They use the bait of "company will go IPO, stock will go through the roof, and if you buy our stuff now we'll give you a chance to buy some shares now!"
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CONTINUED COVERAGE: Interush Hong Kong closed for possible pyramid scheme, more Hong Kong reports

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The Chinese characters for "Hong Kong".
The Chinese characters for "Hong Kong". (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
Hong Kong'sApple Daily has multiple tiny articles on their website

Here's one that reported that some mainlanders had been on a train for 24 hours straight trying to get to Hong Kong

http://hk.apple.nextmedia.com/news/art/20131101/18488734  (in Chinese)

People in China apparently already dumped plenty of money into the company all in the belief that the company will go IPO like Google and Facebook and thus return their investment 100 fold. They are even claiming that Baidu as example how no Chinese benefited from its IPO.

This is virtually IDENTICAL tactic used by Vantone scam in China to push worthless woo products at vastly inflated prices. And who's involved in Vantone scam? "Tiger" Zhi Liu and Ming Xu of WCM. (See below for related links)




Another bit of news where reporter interviewed a professor of securities who said what the company did is illegal.

http://hk.apple.nextmedia.com/news/art/20131101/18488736  (in Chinese)

This professor said that Interush is raising so many red flags (illegal publication of offer, etc. etc.) this thing should be investigated by the authorities IMMEDIATELY

The implication is this should not be touched (with a ten foot pole).



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BREAKING NEWS: WCM Ming Xu Threatens Siemens and skeptic on Twitter with Lawsuit

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Generally, when someone's statement was refuted by no less than an official press release, most people give a proper explanation. Not Ming Xu of "World Capital Market", otherwise known as "US Vantone Investment Bank" (except it's not a bank). Instead, he threatens to sue people he may have misrepresented as doing business with him, as well as people asking questions.


Yep, this guy, who uses the Chinese name of a SCAM COMPANY VNTI (which he said he helped setup), is threatening to sue Siemens, the global conglomerate and a skeptic who's asking questions did WCM777 really signed an agreement with Siemens for cloud storage solutions.

When one of the sub-schemes in WCM, called WCM777, claimed have cloud storage and such powered by Siemens IT technology, per WCM777's own press release and news dated November 2012, Siemens released a statement stating that it is clearly IMPOSSIBLE as they SOLD their IT division in 2011!

(See Details here)



Then Ming Xu released a piece of a document, claiming it is an agreement between Siemens and WCM, but this paper only contains two names: Siemens (China), and Goldpoint.

Later the full document was slowly leaked to WCM affiliates, which revealed that this is merely a "letter of intent", dated 23-SEP-2013, a full TEN MONTHS after the alleged agreement took place, and it was NOT an agreement, but merely INTENT to do something!  (And it won't be IT, as that's clearly impossible!)

Goldpoint is NOT WCM777, merely one of the DOZENS of companies allegedly owned by WCM. It apparently has no employees other than head of WCM777 "Tiger Zhi Liu" who was also listed as head of the Vantone scam company. Goldpoint's address is also same as the Vantone scam company.

(see Details here)

Previous investigations have dug up involvement, confirmed by Ming Xu's own blog entry, that he was involved in 2007 Olympic Fundraising fraud (he claimed he was duped by someone in China), and the 2012 Vantone pyramid selling scandal in China (he claimed he was barely involved).

Frankly, if he kept running into scammers, he's probably doing something wrong, or he's actually scamming and shifting blame as who's going to China to verify all that?

The latter, that he's not really involved in the Chinese Vantone scam, is difficult to believe as he had kept the Vantone name, but only use it in CHINESE. Thus, the chances of his "minimal involvement" is rather low. A far more likely scenario would be that he did a full collaboration with the scam guy in China, having previously picked a name that sounds like MassMutual's Chinese name. When that wasn't doing so well, he distanced himself from it by picking a new American name (WCM) but kept the Chinese name as it makes it more difficult to associate the two, as well as create a plethora of shell companies to dilute any paper trail.

But having misrepresented the relationship between Siemens and WCM777, then threaten to sue Siemens and a skeptic over "saving face", is very unChristian of Ming Xu, who claims to be an ordained minister.

And that "Dr." is a doctorate of theology from a school he runs. Is that even legal? :) Is it even a real school? 

Or is he going to threaten to sue me for asking questions? Stay tuned!

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Even More Signs You Are In a Sales Cult

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An article in Hong Kong revealed a standard script given to pyramid selling members to recruit even more members...

You may be in a sales cult if...

  • You are "sharing" an opportunity to your friend, not selling him something
  • Your doing your friend a favor by "sharing" this great opportunity
  • You are intentionally keeping something hidden (but not outright mysteries)
  • You only have 1 friend at a time (for the opportunity pitches)
  • You consider any adult not asleep as potential "friend" to share opportunity with
  • You only talk in elevator speeches (entire pitch is within 60 seconds)
  • You handle rejection by being magnanimous: remember me, it's okay you're not ready
Wait, there's more!


You May be In a Sales Cult if Your Meeting Looked Like this: 
8:30 AM  Group breakfast, chit chat
9:30 AM  Upbeat music to start the meeting, get your blood flowing!
10:00 AM  Host starts meeting, talks about rules (no bathroom or other breaks?!) then individuals get on stage to introduce oneself
11:00 AM Boss gets on stage and talk about company plan, attitudes, platitudes... how it'll be the greatest in a couple years, and we all will make tons of money! 
12:00 PM "I will succeed" skit, the "leader" goes on stage, being pulled from both sides, 4 positive, 4 negative. Positive side saying "you will succeed", negative side saying "you will fail", they had a bit of tug of war, then the leader will "break free" from the negative side and the positive side whisked him away and the negative side moonwalked back off the stage.  (Details may vary, but you get the idea)
1:00 PM 1 hour lunch break, not enough
2:00 PM Small group cheering the new members "Welcome! Welcome!" Much like frat house welcoming new pledges. 
3:00 PM Small group mutual rating system, with comments from the leader, like "you need a haircut", "wear a suit", etc.  
5:00 PM Senior reps leading talks about how to invite different types of "friends", how to shut on your inner warning voice (poisonous!), then mutual practice and feedback
8:00 PM  Half hour dinner with really cheap crap food
8:30 PM  Group skit... Two groups... Those inside yelling "I will succeed!" and those outside yelling "No you won't! You're a loser!" This is couched as "roleplaying", "reflecting reality", "mental toughening", etc.  Swap roles and try again. 
10:00 PM  Senior leaders get on stage and share stories about how tough his/her life was, how the company changes his/her life,  blah blah blah. Tears are not uncommon. 
11:00 PM  Group activity, heavy dance music... YMCA, Macarena, Conga line, etc.
Midnight  Retire to 24-hour restaurant nearby (probably McD) to small groups where you discuss "what did you learn".  

 What this is is cult brainwashing.
 

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